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  • There are two versions of this cipher, one of which is transposition based rather than substitution. This version produces an alphabetic rather than numeric ciphertext.

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    • Jack PM on forum

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      • i found a transposition that uses numericals ???

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        • Yeah I saw the one you are refering to also kuang. I just PMed you again. I tried every variation I could think of without results.

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          • If we are close I can't think what we are doing wrong. I've tried every combinations of N******* G********* and K*** M**** I could think of without results. I even tested them with the 0-4 square, used transposition, changed which letter is doubled up all without results.

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            • looks like we are all (3) sitting at the same brick wall

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              • Between the three of us we have been working on this almost nonstop.

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                • and its not like we havent had enough clues either ... are we just braindead ... nah probably just me

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                  • well im out for the night guys ... hope you both have some luck whilst i am sleeping

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                    • i have been reading the stories about k*** m**** for a while. I don't know if it has anything to do with anything, but satyrs are deeply involved. I tried every variation I could think of, but nothing worked...
                      still searching my way in the dark...

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                      • You are getting too specific, just use K*** and M**** as the square and keyword respectively.

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                        • I definately have been doing the cipher wrong then. I've tried that a couple different ways.

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                          • so have I.
                            Jack, I PMed you, just to be sure I am using the correct cipher.

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                            • Thats what I have been using. I get C Z O for the first three letters then I get a zero which is impossible to translate.

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                              • yap. same here.

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