Amnesya (Special thread for level Stop)

[MarkusZar]

@ Shematics:

I'm not away ;-) From time to time I will be at the irc channel. Yesterday me and ponderer tried some things (not on stop itself) but no luck till now.

Because I'm not sure about my idea, we tried some other things. Amnesya forum seems still to be a place to take a look at... perhaps...

Another thing, me and ponderer found out is that stop is also a computer operating system. The Secure Trusted Operating Program, an operating system used by the XTS-400... You can read about it on wiki.

Well, thats all for now...

[kaankanat]

Maybe... But dont forget: 'Python'

And remember: 'system failure'

[anathavia]

Because we are stuck at level stop for such a long time now I think it is a good idea to try to go back and see if another level has lead us to the wrong path. I think level 53 might have another answer so I started an new tread on this level, maybe we can achieve more by trying to solve this level again. At least we can try. the link to the tread:

http://www.gamershood.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16625

[Step Murt]

I've recently discovered an incredible new hint towards our search for the answer to Level Stop!!!!!!!!!! It deals with the number of lines in the source codes of levels.... here is a chart with those line numbers.

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Level#/ Lines/ ASCII Translation
1- 92 \
2- 91 [
3- 115 s
4- 113 q
5- 92 \
6- 118 v
7- 113 q
8- 116 t
9- 113 q
10- 124 |
11- 118 v
12- 112 p
13- 114 r
14- 91 [
15- 95 _
16- 96 '
17- 91 [
18- 118 v
19- 114 r
20- 119 w
21- 104 h
22- 104 h
23- 101 e
24- 98 b
25- 104 h
26- 104 h
27- 76 L
28- 87 W
29- 98 b
30- 104 h
31- 107 k
32- 117 u
33- 98 b
34- 76 L
35- 99 c
36- 103 g
37- 98 b
38- 77 M
39- 82 R
40- 82 R
41- 108 l
42- 97 a
43- 102 f
44- 105 i
45- 102 f
46- 76 L
47- 108 l
48- 103 g
49- 96 '
50- 79 O
51- 114 r
52- 91 [
53- 94 ^
54- 143 ?
55- 110 n
56- 116 t
57- 108 l
58- 123 {
59- 108 l
60- 118 v
Four Gates- 94 ^
Techland- 83 S
Fire Mountain-113 q
Jungle- 128 ?
Urban- 98 b
AA- 72 H
AB- 72 H
AC- 73 I
AD- 75 K
AE- 365 m
Stop- 100 d
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In this chart, you should notice three things...

FIRST: The ASCII translation was pointless and a total waste of time for me to make.
SECOND: Level Stop has EXACTLY 100 lines, and is the ONLY LEVEL with 100 lines.
THIRD (and most importantly): Level AE has EXACTLY 365 lines in its source (days in a year)

Once again, a major breakthrough in Amnesya development, and the 365 lines is NOT a coincidence, since there are actually a few blank lines at the end of the source to get the number to 365. I hope all the hard work it took to make this chart will pay off, and that it will lead someone to the answer... Good luck!

Also, I've investigated a little further, and looked at the four lines that correspond to the first day of each new season...

LINE 79 (first day of Spring): [blank line]
LINE 172 (first day of Summer): "<img border="0" src=" b1flashnews.jpg" width="188" height="36">"
LINE 265 (first day of Autumn): "is Online !<br>"
LINE 355 (first day of Winter): [blank line]

Yea, the above info was kinda pointless as well, but I hope that, with some fooling and playing around, we'll arrive at the answer or at least something meaningful.

Try new things, play around with this new info... and GOOD LUCK!!!!

[kaankanat]

Wow!! Good work Shematics!

But you made a mistake:

It write 'end of the season'. But you did the first one...

[Step Murt]

Well, if I were to use the last day of each season, the results would be as follows...

LINE 78: "<script type="text/javascript>"
LINE 171: [blank line]
LINE 264: "<a href="forum"><font color="#FFFFFF">Forum</font></a></font><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#C0C0C0">"
LINE 354: [blank line]

Once again, nothing can be conceived from this information...

[Iceall]

Shematics, how do you count lines?
If I view source in Mozilla, it has 367 lines, if I open source in Internet Explorer, it has 385 lines. Finally, I counted the lines manually and I got 369.....

[der.qwert]

I agree, Level Stop is a dead end and we have to go back since this is our only chance to go any futher. But i can't follow shematics idea of going back to AE. I too get other results for the lines of the source. Also I cannot agree with anathavias idea of going back to wizard. I think wizard.swf is just a remnant from the testing phase. And the fact that there is an eggpage on wizard makes me believe that there is no other answer.

I'm pretty sure, that we have to go back to the 4 Gates! Here are some reasons:

1. It would be the same as on enigmi. With the answer from the door you straightly ran into Level JT, which is unsolved till today. To go further, you had to correct the answer from the door just a little bit.
2. Every section ( 01-10, 11-20, etc. ) had its own level-complete-flashmovie. The gates and the following levels didn't have one. After the gates there are only flashmovies from previous sections.
3. The missing access-page. The user/pass for the next section has been given in a new way.
4. Last but not least, it even tells us that there is something wrong.

I'm sure there are more reasons to find, but for me these are enough to be convinced that we have to change the answer for the gates. There are so many ways to play with the answer, anagram, correct it, replace, substitute and so on. It won't do any harm to try it.

[MarkusZar]

@ derqert: You might be right with going back to 4 gates, maybe even the 4 seasons have something to do with it...

But honestly I don't believe that we'll find the answer on another level, because I really think that the answer would have been found, if it was that way.

But why not give it a try?

Beside that and beside my stupid "noone go to stop" idea, I think

1. the y....y login part seems wrong, maybe a change should be done here

2. next level after ae could be AF and like ponderer said AF = Amnesya Forum

3. Amnesya system is being created... so: If you feel like your brain is so full of this stuff that instead of solving riddles, you realize your head is producing them, then contact us and submit your idea. It might be genial enough to push us to add it to the main Amnesya riddles sequence. Anyway, if you are in this mental state we suggest a break from the game and a couple of days of sleep

(as seen on http://www.amnesya.com/submit-riddles.htm). Perhaps instead of solving stop we shoud help squid and dukes in creating amnesya system and give them a level to be implemented after AE...

Has this been my most stupid idea till now? Well, maybe...

[ponderer]

I think the solution should be simple. If Stop means we should go somewhere, it should be obvious where to go if you think of it for a while. I dont think it is enough that level Stop says "break" and "break" is mentioned in some other level.

I think we need more simple ideas. I hope everybody knows pretty much how much different things we have tried and proven that "this kind of things" are not the answer for Stop. Let me give an example. The answer could be for AE, the number written out, like seventwoninefivefiveeight.htm. Something as simple as that but something we just havent tried. The answer could be answerisfourseasons.htm or fourseasonsarespringsummerautumnwinter.htm. Maybe even these are too complex ideas...

[Step Murt]

Or something as simple as Squid posting the answer within the 365 LINES OF THE AE SOURCE during an equinox/solstice.

Oh, and by the way, I got the number "365" as the number of lines in the AE source using the Google Chrome source code viewer... But I SUPPOSE it could be wrong...

[kaankanat]

Today me and ponderer found a new idea! And I am sure, THIS IS THE RIGHT IDEA!

Stop is about matrix!
Squid and Dukes contacted system by calling on phones. They needed to get to phone in order to escape the system. People called to a phone from outside and they answered the phone.
So:

Amnesya = Matrix


How to Play

10. Dont phone us late at night asking for extra hints


How can we know their phone???

Make a call = Visit a Url or send a pm ???

Let me remember matrix movie:

''In the near future, a computer hacker named Neo discovers that all life on Earth may be nothing more than an elaborate facade created by a malevolent cyber-intelligence, for the purpose of placating us while our life essence is "farmed" to fuel the Matrix's campaign of domination in the "real" world. He joins like-minded Rebel warriors Morpheus and Trinity in their struggle to overthrow the Matrix.''

Then I released this tag line from matrix movie:
In a world of 1s and 0s...are you a zero, or The One? !!!

Mr wizard the lizard !

So Why the lizard is behind the jar???

Neo causes system failure...

Can you see the idea now?

We are near the answer... Do you have an idea about that?

I think it is our last week on Stop...

So:

GOODBYE STOP!!!

[Step Murt]

Level Stop... The Answer at Last?

I have deleted the info in this post for one main reason:

I believe that the info I shared here was actually the main point of Amnesya, and that leaving it here for others to see would be spoiling it all for future Amnesiacs who may not want to know what it's all about, or who have not reached level stop yet.

Kaan, I ask that you also delete this post on the Amnesya forums, as well as the info in your post above... let's not ruin it for everyone! Honestly, remember that thrill you felt when you figured this out? (better stated as: "when Ponderer told you" lol) Anyways, we want everyone to feel that as well! Obviously, anyone can always get more info in the Amnesya mIRC channel.

Happy trails ,
-Schem

[Step Murt]

More info...

Please excuse the double-post, but I believe that this info should in a separate post... how can we relate the ****** idea to the many "XX" videos found along the trail?

Let us begin...

The first actual confusing Amnesya movie we see is "XX-Dejavu"
Here, we see a guy thrashing around a room with his hands on his head (which I actually find quite humorous ^__^)

Next, we find "XX-First-encounter"
In this video, we find yet another clip of the same guy thrashing about like a maniac with his hands on his head... and also a guy looking at his watch saying "10 minutes." This could just be an extension of the video above.

Lastly, we find "XX-Gathering-pieces"
We now see ANOTHER guy , who appears to be some sort of doctor, going crazy as well, and desperately checking his watched repeatedly. The OTHER guy is still going through some stage of insanity. Surely enough, we find a guy saying "10 minutes" yet again. So that means that no time has passed since the last video? Also, the "10 minutes" guy holds up some sort of unknown item, saying "remember this?" Odd...

Also please note that, in "XX-Dejavu," you can see a clip of level 45 near the end.

So what can we make of all this? Anyways, a recap of the XX Videos couldn't hurt.

Good luck...
-Schem

[ponderer]

I like the idea that you cannot call yourself within the matrix. So, probably we need to find the keymaker or someone else needs to save us. I remember another riddle where you actually needed help from other player. Well, that could be you but anyways you couldnt help yourself with the same browser window.

I am thinking that if we send a PM to another player, would that point our location in the matrix and you could save the one who send the PM?? Another idea is that we need to use the forum ID number and do something related to that. I know my number and I know that Squid is number 1... Since he is 1, he will probably save the world or something but I hope we can escape the system even without being no. 1...